An Investigative Series Regarding the Origin of Giants
Horim, Seir and the Amalekim War
By Gary Wayne – Author of The Genesis 6 Conspiracy
“Then came Amalek, and fought with Israel in Rephidim. And Moses said unto Joshua, Choose us out men, and go out, fight with Amalek: tomorrow I will stand on the top of the hill with the rod of God in mine hand.” Exodus 17:8-9
Before Israel sent scouts into the Covenant Land (Part 1), Israel battled Amalekim at Rephidim. Amalekim were Rephaim and hybrid Rephaim – interbred Edomites, in the same manner as the Rephaim intermarried with Canaanites.
God helped the rag-tag nation of slaves that day to defeat the Amaleqim, a powerful nation of hybrids bolstered by Nephilim; led by Agagite kings.
Israel knew God’s power from this battle, and the miracles freeing them from the Egyptians. But even after this, Israel was a doubting nation, not yet forged in faith loyal to God, which surfaced with grumblings before and after the “evil report.”
“And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword… For he said, Because the LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation.” Exodus 17:13 & 16
The Exodus and Numbers chronology testifies the Amalekite war occurred before the scouts entered Canaan: in the 3rd month after leaving Egypt. Then they departed Rephidim pitching their tents in the wilderness. There they camped until after the Tabernacle was reared up, and after appointing the Passover Sabbath in the 1st and 2nd months of the 2nd year.
“In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai. For they were departed from Rephidim, and were come to the desert of Sinai, and had pitched in the wilderness; and there Israel camped before the mount.” Exodus 19:1-2
“…in the first month in the second year, on the first day of the month, that the tabernacle was reared up.” Exodus 40:17
“…on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt…” Numbers 1:1
“And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the first month of the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying, let the children of Israel also keep the passover at his appointed season.” Numbers 9:1-2
Israel camped in the wilderness of Paran in the 2nd month, 20th day, and 2nd year (Numbers 10 & 11), well after the quail and manna narrative (Exodus 16:13-36), which occurred in the 2nd month after leaving Egypt.
“And it came to pass on the twentieth day of the second month, in the second year, that the cloud was taken up from off the tabernacle of the testimony. And the children of Israel took their journeys out of the wilderness of Sinai; and the cloud rested in the wilderness of Paran.” Numbers 10:11-12
“And there went forth a wind from the LORD, and brought quails from the sea, and let them fall by the camp.” Numbers 11:31
“And afterward the people removed from Hazeroth, and pitched in the wilderness of Paran.” Numbers 12:16
“And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt… And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host.” Exodus 16:1 & 13
Now, standard church chronology has Amalekim descending from Amalek, son of Eliphaz, son of Esau, as part of the dynasties of Dukes/Alefs/Elves of Edom.
“And Timna was concubine to Eliphaz Esau’s son; and she bare to Eliphaz Amalek: these were the sons of Adah Esau’s wife.” Genesis 36:12
“The sons of Eliphaz; Teman, and Omar, Zephi, and Gatam, Kenaz, and Timna, and Amalek.” 1 Chronicles 1:36
“These were dukes of the sons of Esau: the sons of Eliphaz the firstborn son of Esau; duke Teman, duke Omar, duke Zepho, duke Kenaz, Gen 36:16 Duke Korah, duke Gatam, and duke Amalek: these are the dukes that came of Eliphaz in the land of Edom.” Genesis 36:15
However, the chronology is not that simple. Part 1 recorded Amaleqim predate Amalek’s birth, back to Abraham’s time and before as a giant nation in Genesis 14.
“And they returned, and came to Enmishpat, which is Kadesh, and smote all the country of the Amalekites, and also the Amorites, that dwelt in Hazezontamar.” Genesis 14:7
Amalekim predate the standard accounting for the nation’s patriarch, Amalek, by hundreds of years. Hence, original Amalekim were not progeny of Esau or Eliphaz.
Amalekim lived adjacent to the Seir region; south of the Covenant Land by the wilderness, and next to the Horim whom Amalekim were allies.
“And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim, Gen 14:6 And the Horites in their mount Seir, unto Elparan, which is by the wilderness.” Genesis 14:5
Eliphaz married Timna producing Amalek. Timna was a progey of Seir. Seir was the Horim patriarch dwelling in Edom, who interbred with Esau’s descendants.
One wonders if Seir was the offspring of a degraded fallen angel after the flood? Horim, “h2336 Choriy”: cave dwellers were aboriginal Idumaeans of Mt Seir.
Seir, “h8165 Seiyr”: rough, hairy, and shaggy derives from “h8163 Saiyr”: hairy goat and “devil’ goat gods in Leviticus 16:7-8 & 17:7, 2 Chronicles 29:23, and satyrs of Isaiah 34:13 and 13:21.
“These are the sons of Seir the Horite, who inhabited the land; Lotan… and Lotan’s sister was Timna.” …these are the dukes of the Horites, the children of Seir in the land of Edom.” Genesis 36:20-21
“The sons of Eliphaz; Teman, and Omar, Zephi, and Gatam, Kenaz, and Timna, and Amalek.” 1 Chronicles 1:36
Hori was the the son of Lotan, son of Seir, and the brother of Timna that married Eliphaz to produce Hori’s nephew, Amalek and the new hybrid Amaleqim nation.
Hori,“2753 Choriy” is rooted “h2752 Chroiy” the Hebrew name for the Horim, named after the Horim (as was Amalek) recorded in Genesis 14, noting Seir was Horim.
“And the children of Lotan were Hori and Hemam; and Lotan’s sister was Timna.” Genesis 36:22
“Duke Dishon, duke Ezer, duke Dishan: these are the dukes that came of Hori, among their dukes in the land of Seir.” Genesis 36:30
1CH 1.39 And the sons of Lotan; Hori, and Homam: and Timna was Lotan’s sister.”
Like the Horim, Amaleqim in 1 Sam were called “old” inhabitants of Shur, a desert south of Palestine, and east of the Seir region, along with Geshurites and Gezrites. “Old” derives from “h5769 owlam”: antiquity, ancient time.
1SA 27.8 “And David and his men went up, and invaded the Geshurites, and the Gezrites, and the Amalekites: for those nations were of old the inhabitants of the land, as thou goest to Shur, even unto the land of Egypt.”
Amaleqim are connected to the Seir region in Num 24, likely named after Seir or visa versa. Amalekim were first amongst nations: “h7225 reshiyth”: beginning, first, chief.
All this supports Amaleqim’s prestige and ancient pedigree of their “Agagite” royal bloodline, and perhaps were a branch of Horim who also married Edomites.
“And Edom shall be a possession, Seir also shall be a possession for his enemies; and Israel shall do valiantly…NUM 24.20 And when he looked on Amalek, he took up his parable, and said, Amalek was the first of the nations; but his latter end shall be that he perish for ever.” Numbers 24:18
Amaleqim were Nephilim descendants listed amongst Anakim in Num 13’s report, dwelling in south, noting giant here derives from: “h5303 nphiyl,” Nephilim.
“Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there. NUM 13.29 The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains.” Numbers 13:28
“…we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.” Numbers 13:33
Deuteronomy 2 listed Anakim as giants with the Horim of Seir; giant in Deut derives from “h7497 Rephaim” for a tribe of giants.
“The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; DEU 2.11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims. DEU 2.12 The Horims also dwelt in Seir beforetime; but the children of Esau succeeded them, when they had destroyed them from before them, and dwelt in their stead.” Deuteronomy 2:10
The Amalekite Agagite title was a heraldic for the royal Amalekite bloodline of Haman, the bloodline of Agag, from the time of king Saul and before.
“After these things did king Ahasuerus promote Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, and advanced him, and set his seat above all the princes that were with him.” Est 3:1
“Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past.” 1 Samuel 15:32
Agagite derives from “h90 Agag”: a flame; an ancient title for Amalekite kings. “H91 Agagite” is patronymic term for a descendant of Agag, as in king.
“He shall pour the water out of his buckets, and his seed shall be in many waters, and his king shall be higher than Agag, and his kingdom shall be exalted.” Numbers 24:7
“And when he looked on Amalek, he took up his parable, and said, Amalek was the first of the nations; but his latter end shall be that he perish for ever.” Numbers 24:20
Some theological sources note Agag’s etymology derives from Assyrian “agagu” for “violent” as in a warrior and/or tyrant. Josephus described Amaleqim as the most warlike nation of that region (Ant. 3:2:1).
Agag’s Arabic etymology and meaning: burn/blaze and king, as in Nephilim King descended from the fiery serpent gods: Seraphim angels, either from before the flood, or degraded goat gods after the flood as in Seir.
The “Agag” title is traced back to the Exodus and a prophecy of the future Israelite Messiah would be raised higher Agag; something the Amaleqim vowed to prevent.
“How goodly are thy tents, O Jacob, and thy tabernacles, O Israel!… He shall pour the water out of his buckets, and his seed shall be in many waters, and his king shall be higher than Agag, and his kingdom shall be exalted.” Numbers 24:5 & 7
Agag was the Amalaqim king title, and some the dukes of Seir, who intermarried with Edomites, marked by the marriage of Eliphaz with the Horim/Amalaqim Timna, passing on the ancient name for a tribe of giants to Amalek.
This marriage begat the great Amaleqim/Edomite nation; a new hybrid nation of united Idumaeans marked by naming the son Amalek. The “Agagite” title passed down the generations to Agag of Saul’s time, Haman, and others in that lineage.
This was the hybrid Amalekite nation led by an Agag king descended from Timna and Eliphaz, which attacked Israel before the scouts were sent into Canaan.
The Amalekim nation was decimated by a nation of slaves backed by God’s power (Exodus 17). After this battle God promised His angel would fight for them.
“…Depart, and go up hence, thou and the people which thou hast brought up out of the land of Egypt, unto the land which I sware unto Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, saying, Unto thy seed will I give it: And I will send an angel before thee; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite.” Exodus 33:1-2
“Unto a land flowing with milk and honey: for I will not go up in the midst of thee; for thou art a stiffnecked people: lest I consume thee in the way.” Exodus 33:3
“Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite… For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders.” Exodus 34:11 & 24
After all that was done for and performed by God before Israel, Israel then believed the “evil report” of the frightened and disloyal scouts.
“And the LORD said unto Moses, How long will this people provoke me? and how long will it be ere they believe me, for all the signs which I have shewed among them? “I will smite them with the pestilence, and disinherit them, and will make of thee a greater nation and mightier than they.” Numbers 14:11-12
If Moses had not intervened after the “evil report” incited rebellion, God would have destroyed Israel and began over, but God relented, pardoning Israel.
“And the LORD said, I have pardoned according to thy word: But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD. “Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice.” Numbers 14:20-22
Israel required 40 years to raise a new generation in the wilderness, a generation forged in faith, loyal to God, and military prowess to take the Covenant Land.
“Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it.” Numbers 14:23
“And your children shall wander in the wilderness forty years, and bear your whoredoms, until your carcases be wasted in the wilderness. After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.” Numbers 14:33-34
Thus, God instructs Moses to lead Israel by the way of the Red Sea; away from the militaristic Canaanites and Amalekim infested with Nephilim.
“(Now the Amalekites and the Canaanites dwelt in the valley.) To morrow turn you, and get you into the wilderness by the way of the Red sea.” Numbers 14:25
After God slew the evil scouts, Israel decided to enter the land. Moses warned Israel not to do so, because God instructed otherwise, but they persisted.
“… and will go up unto the place which the LORD hath promised: for we have sinned. And Moses said, Wherefore now do ye transgress the commandment of the LORD? but it shall not prosper. Go not up, for the LORD is not among you; that ye be not smitten before your enemies…” Numbers 14:40-42
For the Amalekites and the Canaanites are there before you, and ye shall fall by the sword: because ye are turned away from the LORD, therefore the LORD will not be with you.” Numbers 14:43
Israel once more defied God’s instructions marching out to meet Canaanites and Amalekim without Moses or the ark. Israel was routed; chased all the way to Hormah.
“But they presumed to go up unto the hill-top: nevertheless the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and Moses, departed not out of the camp. Then the Amalekites came down, and the Canaanites which dwelt in that hill, and smote them, and discomfited them, even unto Hormah.” Numbers 14:44-45
The Conquest would not come as easy 40 years later. God would support Israel, but Israel would be required to do battle as in a similar way as the Amalekim war at Rephidim.
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